Poor Blood Angels, the whipping boys of 8th...

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HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

That sounds great. I would be honoured. Be brutal! :)

You may as well take V5.0 for analysis and, as you know, all my crazy logic and mad reasoning is in the above! Hopefully I got all the points right and its legal...;)

Not battlefield proven yet, but a list to build to and hopefully it's not terrible when I finish it!:

HQ:

Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack (Index), Hand flamer, Chainsword, (Warlord - Soulwarden) - 87
Captain with Jump Pack, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, [The Angel's Wing], (Death Visions of Sanguinius) - 129
Lemartes - 129
Lieutenant with Jump Pack, Master-crafted Boltgun, Power Sword, [The Veritas Vitae] - 85

Elites:

Company Ancient with Jump Pack (Index), Inferno Pistol, [Standard of Sacrifice] - 81
Sanguinary Guard (with Jump Packs), 8 man, 6 Plasma Pistols, 2 Inferno Pistols, 5 Encarmine Swords, 3 Power Fists - 316
Death Company with Jump Packs, 9 man, 2 Thunder Hammers, 2 Power Swords, 5 Boltguns, 2 Inferno Pistols - 238

Troops:

Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife, (maybe 1 Boltguns) - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife, (maybe 1 Boltguns) - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife, (maybe 1 Boltguns) - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife, (maybe 1 Boltguns) - 70
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65

Fast Attack:

Scout Bikes, 3 man, Inferno Pistol - 84
Scout Bikes, 3 man, Inferno Pistol - 84
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64

Heavy Support:

Hunter, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 98
Hunter, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 98
Whirlwind, Castellan Launcher, Storm Bolter - 97

Total: 2000 points. 15 CPs. [-3 CPs if all Relics taken, -1 CP for Death Visions of Sanguinius option].

Many thanks for all the advice!

Edit: Just to add, I am concerned about my early (and late) turn long range firepower (keep thinking about adding a third (nicely T8) Hunter with HKM and Storm Bolter instead of the Whirlwind for the loss of the Priest's Hand flamer), but the list is built around dealing with pretty much everything in combat so it can't do everything! :)

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HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

Just watched your amazing painted Slamguinius video! Absolutely stunning job Luke. The dawn of Larazus Dawnhammer!

Your dice test was similar to my own. I think for an everything (especially vehicles/super heavies) killer Slamguinius needs the Artisan of War trait and be Warlord along with the Angels Wing. However Gift of Foresight still is good if you think he is going to get stuck in prolonged combats or smite'd all the time, just takes him a bit longer to kill big stuff! But that's where the other units come in to support...

Being Death Company having a Chaplain/Lemartes near by would maybe help depending on interpretation, but because the way the rules are written don't 2s always miss because of the way modifiers work unfortunately?! :(

If he didn't have the Angels Wing, being Death Company and near Lemartes would allow him to re-roll his charges anyway...v useful...so maybe if I kept the Priest the Warlord, maybe Hammer of Baal over the Angels Wing would be an interesting/efficient load out (need to do the maths-hammer on this) and I'd squirrel him away behind the Death Company unit for protection. However I think the no overwatch ability of the Angels Wing is just too good to pass up in any situation. The protection it gives follow up units like the Death Company and/or Sanguinary Guard is so good rather than having them getting shot to bits before they even get to combat!

As you said, only the games will tell! :)

Edit: One of your Youtube subscribers on the painted Slamguinius video commented about the viability of using the Legendary Fighter trait from the Rulebook along with the Hammer of Baal relic...I'd never thought of that one...the maths seem favourable...this could be another option you could try out!

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Luke Barker Mod

almost 7 years ago

Leave this list with me and keep a look out:)

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HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

Awesome. Hopefully your critique and thoughts will provide lots of stuff for others to comment on and give me lots of food for thought. I really appreciate it. We know its not min/max competitive, but it was never meant to be...

Leaving the Priest as the Warlord for your review should open a good debate for the list and will decide whether or not I should switch back to Slamguinius being the warlord with either Artisan of War or Gift of Foresight...

'Blood Angels 10th Company ,1st Heavy Scout Brigade, the 'Redeemers''.
Slamguinius' name in this list will be 10th Company Captain 'Dionysus' Borgio a true inspiration for all the new recruits.
The Lieutenant is the 10th company 's first Lieutenant known as the 'Warden of the Blood' (from the codex), ready to assume command now that Borgio is having 'Death Visions of Sanguinius'...he, the Ancient, and the Priest will all need names eventually.

"The wrath you feel within? That is a weapon of last resort. Before you can learn to wield it, to kill with ferocity and abandon, you must first master fighting with skill, subtlety and restraint. After all, my brothers, the honed blade cuts the deepest." - Sergeant Nassio, Blood Angels 10th Company (Blood Angels Codex page 54).

Luke Barker Mod

almost 7 years ago

I can maybe ask subs for some name suggestions:)

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Luke Barker Mod

almost 7 years ago

Thanks. Yeah really happy with how the model came out. Looking forward to letting him smash some stuff soon:) Yes I'd never fought of the legendary fighter option either...could work well. But yeah...the games will help decide for sure:)

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HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

Following the advice so far from the Subscriber List Analysis video, here is version V6.0:

HQ:

Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack (Index), Hand flamer, Chainsword, [The Veritas Vitae], (Warlord - Soulwarden) - 87
Captain with Jump Pack, Thunder Hammer, [The Angel's Wing], (Death Visions of Sanguinius) - 114
Lemartes - 129

Elites:

Company Ancient with Jump Pack (Index), [Standard of Sacrifice] - 72
Sanguinary Guard (with Jump Packs), 8 man, 6 Plasma Pistols, 2 Inferno Pistols, 5 Encarmine Swords, 3 Power Fists - 316
Death Company with Jump Packs, 9 man, 2 Thunder Hammers, 5 Boltguns & Chainswords, 2 Inferno Pistols & Chainswords - 230

Troops:

Fast Attack:

Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64

Heavy Support:

Predator, Predator Autocannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 150
Predator, Predator Autocannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 150
Predator, Predator Autocannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 150

Total: 2000 points. 15 CPs. [-3 CPs if all Relics taken, -1 CP for Death Visions of Sanguinius option].

But do these changes now make the list a 9...!? ;-)

HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

I could possibly give the Captain one of the Death Company Inferno pistols as it would probably be more efficient and effective in his hands! Or remove the Inferno Pistols from the Death Company altogether to give the Captain back his Storm shield...

HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

After checking Power Ratings of the new units, I can afford to drop two units of Scouts down to 5 man potentially saving some points to gain back Slamguinius' Storm shield! Version V6.5:

HQ:

Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack (Index), Hand flamer, Chainsword, [The Veritas Vitae], (Warlord - Soulwarden) - 87
Captain with Jump Pack, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, [The Angel's Wing], (Death Visions of Sanguinius) - 129
Lemartes - 129

Elites:

Company Ancient with Jump Pack (Index), [Standard of Sacrifice] - 72
Sanguinary Guard (with Jump Packs), 8 man, 6 Plasma Pistols, 2 Inferno Pistols, 5 Encarmine Swords, 3 Power Fists - 316
Death Company with Jump Packs, 9 man, 2 Thunder Hammers, 6 Boltguns & 6 Chainswords, 1 Inferno Pistol & 1 Power Sword - 225

Troops:

Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65

Fast Attack:

Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64

Heavy Support:

Total: 2000 points. 15 CPs. [-3 CPs if all Relics taken, -1 CP for Death Visions of Sanguinius option].

So this gets Slamguinius back to the standard build which is nice. Sad to lose some combat scouts, but the list maybe improves with the additional Heavy Bolter (/Hellfire Shell) threat...there's still two units of combat Scouts there to charge into the enemies face!...

HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

Well, I didn't quite like the look of three Attack Bikes - too sterile - and for theme I really wanted to keep at least one unit of Scout Bikes (and I rate them) so I've settled on Version V7.0:

HQ:

Elites:

Company Ancient with Jump Pack (Index), [Standard of Sacrifice] - 72
Sanguinary Guard (with Jump Packs), 8 man, 6 Plasma Pistols, 2 Inferno Pistols, 5 Encarmine Swords, 3 Power Fists - 316
Death Company with Jump Packs, 9 man, 2 Thunder Hammers, 6 Boltguns & 6 Chainswords, 1 Hand flamer & 1 Power Sword - 217

Troops:

Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 5 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 59
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 59
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65

Fast Attack:

Scout Bikes, 3 man, (for Cluster Mines option), Sergeant with Inferno Pistol - 84
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64

Heavy Support:

Total: 2000 points. 15 CPs. [-3 CPs if all Relics taken, -1 CP for Death Visions of Sanguinius option].

Not sure if I can tweak it anymore without completely changing the theme and going 'too competitive'...Hopefully its closer to a 9/10 though! :-) Thanks for all the advice following the review video!

I left the Death Company with a Power Sword (and Hand Flamer!) to help to deal with armoured opponents. I was going to give it to the Ancient but I think it'll be more effective in the Death Company...They have lost all their Inferno Pistols though, but the Thunder Hammers will have to make up for it in combat! The Scout Bikes return gives me that little bit more anti-horde...and, hey, maybe I can Cluster Mine someone one day...!

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Luke Barker Mod

almost 7 years ago

Oh yeah...this is a 9 out of 10 now! Can't see much more you can do. After a few games their may be a few tweeks...but you have a great list here!:)

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HighlandPhoenix

almost 7 years ago

The final to-be-built version V8.0:

HQ:

Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack (Index), Hand flamer, Power Sword, [The Veritas Vitae], (Warlord - Soulwarden) - 91
Captain with Jump Pack, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, [The Angel's Wing], (Death Visions of Sanguinius) - 129
Lemartes - 129

Elites:

Company Ancient with Jump Pack (Index), Hand flamer, [Standard of Sacrifice] - 73
Sanguinary Guard (with Jump Packs), 8 man, 6 Plasma Pistols, 2 Inferno Pistols, 5 Encarmine Swords, 3 Power Fists - 316
Death Company with Jump Packs, 10 man, 2 Thunder Hammers, 6 Boltguns & 6 Chainswords, 2 Hand flamers & 2 Power Swords - 242

Troops:

Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Combat Knives, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 6 man, Boltguns, Sergeant with Power Sword & Combat Knife - 70
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65
Scout Squad, 5 man, Boltguns, Heavy Bolter (for Hellfire Shells option) - 65

Fast Attack:

Scout Bikes, 3 man, (for Cluster Mines option), Sergeant with Inferno Pistol - 84
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64
Attack Bike, Multi-Melta - 64

Heavy Support:

Predator, Predator Autocannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 150
Predator, Predator Autocannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 150
Hunter, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter - 98

Total: 2000 points. 15 CPs. [-3 CPs if all Relics taken, -1 CP for Death Visions of Sanguinius option].

The switch back to one Hunter for one of the Preds, I believe finishes the list. Yes I lose the ability to Killshot now and again, but that makes the list a bit predictable, and without a Captain and Lieutenant nearby it's just a poor-man's SM gunline (albeit we are points limited in this list). The solid re-roll-able Hunter ('lascannon') shot makes up for it against most targets, certainly heavy ones after hit, wound and save rolls I feel. It also gives the list a little more flavour...The 52 points saved allows the flexibility to increase two of the Scout Squads back to 6 man to even out the Power Rating (PR) of the list (giving the option to jump assault all the HQs and Elites). It also enables me to make the Death Company an impressive 10 man with an additional Power Sword (and Hand Flamer) without impacting said PR. The remaining points went to giving the Index Priest a Power Sword and the Ancient a Hand Flamer for self-defence. I think that rounds it off nicely...and there is always the choice to make Slamguinius the Warlord with Artisan of War or Gift of Foresight over the Priest with Soulwarden (concerns about the first decent of angels drop and charge needing the Warlord close to the Guard...)

This will be the last post on this forum thread. Anymore and I will post on the List Review Video!

Cheers!

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